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Are portraits of White-looking aristocrats fakes?

 
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Egmond Codfried
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jul 2008 14:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Portraits of Charlotte Sophie kept at the National Portrait Gallery in London

http://www.jamd.com/search?assettype=g&assetid=3300620&text=sophie+charlotte+mecklenburg

http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://images.npg.org.uk/OCimg/websm/5/0/mw01250.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp%3FLinkID%3Dmp00845&h=100&w=79&sz=2&hl=nl&start=2&um=1&tbnid=zL31Qiiwmk6KAM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=65&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnpg%2Bqueen%2Bcharlotte%2Bsophie%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dnl%26sa%3DN

Some of the 79 portraits show her as White, so the ballyhoo about her unusual looks would be unclear to those who know only these White fakes.
In a biography, I's struggling to find the title, a commentator, living at Strawberry Hill wrote: 'Her nose was to wide and her mouth showed the same faulth.'

(I will print the missing names soon)
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jul 2008 15:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Egmond Codfried wrote:
the ballyhoo about her unusual looks would be unclear to those who know only these White fakes.

You have yet to provide replicable objective evidence that portraits of Euro aristocracy that do not show subsaharan features are fakes. Until you do (or until you find a source that agrees with you), please stop making this claim. Our readers know that you sincerely believe this. Repeating your belief adds nothing.
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jul 2008 13:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Egmond Codfried wrote:
the ballyhoo about her unusual looks would be unclear to those who know only these White fakes.

You have yet to provide replicable objective evidence that portraits of Euro aristocracy that do not show subsaharan features are fakes. Until you do (or until you find a source that agrees with you), please stop making this claim. Our readers know that you sincerely believe this. Repeating your belief adds nothing.

How do I find someone to support my claim? Yes, by broadcasting this claim!

But you are wilfully misrepresenting my theories. Why must you do that?

I have spoken at lenght of 'a fixed mulatto race' with some looking more African, Asian or White.

And I have proposed that the little Blackamoor on their portraits symbolises Bleu Blood. THEY talk about blood and THEY show a SSA, Blackamoor.

Do we just dismiss this as chopped liver? We have many personal desciptions, black related nicknames as Il Moro (Aless. de Medici), we have black looking engravings and paintings, but also white looking one's from the same person.

Does this not lead to scientific questions or hypothesis?
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jul 2008 14:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Egmond Codfried wrote:
the ballyhoo about her unusual looks would be unclear to those who know only these White fakes.

fwsweet wrote:
You have yet to provide replicable objective evidence that portraits of Euro aristocracy that do not show subsaharan features are fakes. Until you do (or until you find a source that agrees with you), please stop making this claim. Our readers know that you sincerely believe this. Repeating your belief adds nothing.

Egmond Codfried wrote:
How do I find someone to support my claim? Yes, by broadcasting this claim!... [continuing non-sequitur]

The issue was solely your claim that portraits showing European-looking Europeans are faked. Nothing more. You have answered a straighforward request with a non-sequitur for the last time. Your posting priviledge is hereby suspensed until midnight, July 31, 2008. Do not resume posting portraits of European nobility that you see as "Black" when you return or you will immediately be suspended again.
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Aug 2008 10:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

fwsweet wrote:
Egmond Codfried wrote:
the ballyhoo about her unusual looks would be unclear to those who know only these White fakes.

You have yet to provide replicable objective evidence that portraits of Euro aristocracy that do not show subsaharan features are fakes. Until you do (or until you find a source that agrees with you), please stop making this claim. Our readers know that you sincerely believe this. Repeating your belief adds nothing.


http://www.network54.com/Forum/133847/thread/1191571982/last-1191571982/DE+CONNECTIE+TUSSEN+DE+FILOSOOF+J.+J.+ROUSSEAU+EN+SURINAME

[Portraits of Rousseau]

What constitutes replicable evidence in your experience?

I feel that showing pairs of a Black and a White portrait of the same person, who is somehow described as not-White looking, as proof. I never said that all the members of the European elite 1500-1789 were somehow ‘Negroes.’ Many people who have a problem with listening understand this, in this improbable and stupid way, and reject my theory. Most people don’t realise that not all people who have Black ancestors show all the signs of Blackness in their face. But also most people have never heard of the One Drop Rule, the reason why Afrocentric studies began. To show that there was Black Blood in European nobility and royalty and no animalistic threats in sight!

The descriptions I came across are mostly about colour. When James Boswell describes philosopher Rousseau in his Journal as ‘A genteel Black man in an Armenian coat,’ he also seems to give ethnic information. But I gather that they were a mixed bunch, so ethnic roots were hard to determine, and were not of great importance. Colour was important, in order to be considered Bleu-blooded. Still we see persons as Alessandro de Medici, William of Orange, Charlotte Sophie of Mecklenburg, Emperor Leopold I Habsburg, Charles X of Sweden and Gustav IX Adolf of Sweden showing up on certain portraits with more or less black skin, thick prognastic lips, flat and wide noses and frizzled hair. They resemble the image of The Moor, which always shows the signs of a Classical African. Perhaps these elite families welcomed these threads as proof of their Bleu blood, which was Black Blood.
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Aug 2008 13:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

fwsweet wrote:
The issue was solely your claim that portraits showing European-looking Europeans are faked. Nothing more. You have answered a straighforward request with a non-sequitur for the last time. Your posting priviledge is hereby suspensed until midnight, July 31, 2008. Do not resume posting portraits of European nobility that you see as "Black" when you return or you will immediately be suspended again.

The issue was solely your claim that portraits showing European-looking Europeans are faked. Nothing more. Your reply ignores this question. Your reply is about sub-Saharan ancestry in European nobility. You were warned. Your posting privilege is hereby suspended until midnight, Aug 21, 2008.
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