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PostPosted: Wed 21 Nov 2007 16:29    Post subject: Re: ODR IS RACIST! Reply with quote

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The way you typed Coloured was not used in America, that is used in South Africa and was not interchangeable with black(s) Coloureds were the generationally mixed people of Zulu and European as well as Muslims & Indians


Aren't they mostly descended from the early Dutch Calvinist settlers and Khoisan people (as opposed to Bantu) with some Malay and South Asian thrown in?
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Nov 2007 16:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmm...half the AA population does not have visible European ancestry, from what I've seen. Charles Barkley? Spike Lee? Nope! It doesn't show, but then...(see below)

Skip Gates looks like your average brown-skinned dude, IMO, but oddly enough has 50% European ancestry. That is interesting.


According to your comment these people would not be considered Coloured



Cape Coloureds
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Nov 2007 17:25    Post subject: Re: ODR IS RACIST! Reply with quote

gemini072 wrote:
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jagirl32 wrote:
Some of these so called "black" people in these photos have or had no businsess calling themselves black!


They didn't

Term like Negro, Colored and Mulatto were in use.

Negro & Colored were terms mainly used.


Weren't the terms negro and coloured interchangeable?


The way you typed Coloured was not used in America, that is used in South Africa and was not interchangeable with black(s) Coloureds were the generationally mixed people of Zulu and European as well as Muslims & Indians



Sorry - my fingers have a mind of their own and I still spell some words the "other way" (interesting enough I don't spell the word tire as "tyre" - always looked weird to me)

Weren't the terms "colored" and "negro" interchangeable in the US?









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PostPosted: Wed 21 Nov 2007 18:05    Post subject: Re: ODR IS RACIST! Reply with quote

anonymouse wrote:
gemini072 wrote:
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gemini072 wrote:
jagirl32 wrote:
Some of these so called "black" people in these photos have or had no businsess calling themselves black!


They didn't

Term like Negro, Colored and Mulatto were in use.

Negro & Colored were terms mainly used.


Weren't the terms negro and coloured interchangeable?


LOL I believe they were at times. But I think there may be more to the history of those terms. Negro was a 'dignified' term... I'll let someone more knoweldgable help out

The way you typed Coloured was not used in America, that is used in South Africa and was not interchangeable with black(s) Coloureds were the generationally mixed people of Zulu and European as well as Muslims & Indians



Sorry - my fingers have a mind of their own and I still spell some words the "other way" (interesting enough I don't spell the word tire as "tyre" - always looked weird to me)

Weren't the terms "colored" and "negro" interchangeable in the US?









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PostPosted: Thu 22 Nov 2007 13:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most, if not all, notable Negros, Blacks, or African-Americans (in America) are descendants of mixed race people (especially among those who hold the "Firsts" titles), thus are mixed race despite the social constructs. This is true, even, among the ones who have dark skin, kinky hair, or 'look' African.

This makes sense since it was those of mixed race and their descendants who first assimilated into the white society, even if it was semi-assimilation. For however turbulent the social atmosphere was, for those who were open minded/hearted enough, whites could related better to Blacks of mixed race, or mixed cultural/social background. They were less intimidated by them and/or their more averaged phenotype. The person they were dealing with was more likely to being either neutral or loyal to them, in regards to the enslaved full-blooded African population that was brought over during that time.

Thus, mixed race people of African descent were the first to have access to education. And it wasn't just the education they had access to, being related or associated with whites, one didn't ALWAYS experience harsh and cruel treatment. There was sometimes benefit from just being in favor with the whites you were related to, or worked for.

Just as there was a lot of underground miscegenation and real loving going on out side of the rape occurring within the slavery institution, there was also some real humanity going on across the races. Which is why the social construct of race became so important. Those in power, and those profiting from slavery, wanted to maintain their positions.

Take for example:

Martin Luther King, Jr - part Native American

Coretta Scott King - part Native American

Jessie Jackson - part Native American

Al Sharpton - part Native American and Caucasian

Malcolm X - born to a mulatto mother

Fredrick Douglas - part Native American

Rosa Parks - part Cherokee-Creek and Scots-Irish


There are very few notable Blacks of the United States, from back then until now, that were not, in all actuality, people of mixed race.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Nov 2007 05:03    Post subject: Reply with quote



obviously mixed, but with what, I don't know















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PostPosted: Sun 02 Dec 2007 11:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are a few threads with lists of them:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/mulattodebate/vpost?id=1991011

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/mulattodebate/vpost?id=2272652

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/mulattodebate/vpost?id=2234617
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PostPosted: Mon 03 Dec 2007 16:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

mulan wrote:

Thus, mixed race people of African descent were the first to have access to education. And it wasn't just the education they had access to, being related or associated with whites, one didn't ALWAYS experience harsh and cruel treatment. There was sometimes benefit from just being in favor with the whites you were related to, or worked for.


According to Thomas Sowell in his book "The Economic and Politics of Race," free people of color had a head start relative to newly freed slaves. Having lived as free for a much longer period of time they were more familiar with the values and skills needed to progress in society. They were more likely to be literate, have a skill, own land, etc. Hence, those among them who had these things in abundance became the leaders of the black community and the "Negro firsts."
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Dec 2007 18:53    Post subject: Reply with quote






Alveda King, niece of Rev. Martin Luther King.
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PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2007 23:21    Post subject: Who's the kid? Reply with quote

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Who's the little kid?
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Dec 2007 02:16    Post subject: Re: Who's the kid? Reply with quote

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Who's the little kid?


She's a little girl with MgM parents
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Dec 2007 14:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He's half Puerto Rican.
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PostPosted: Thu 13 Dec 2007 14:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-Man wrote:
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He's half Puerto Rican.


oh is he? Never heard of it.
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PostPosted: Tue 08 Jan 2008 20:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gracias! Que cosa tan buena! What a beautiful lady!
Esta para chuparse los dedos!

Obviously, we are looking at different things.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Feb 2008 19:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He's half Puerto Rican.


I had always wondered about this-Rangel, pronounced Ran-HELL, is a spanish last name, but I was never able to find any information regarding his parents. What is the source?
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