The Study of Racialism

oevega · Posted: Thu 06 Jul 2006 04:16 Post subject: Caribs

No kidding this time, Jaime, but the evidence is not conclusive in the side of Amerindian ancestry. Of African ancestry, of course, no one doubt it. The point of the Amerindian ancestry perhaps is better explain in another paper. If you see it, please say it so.

Omar

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oevega · Posted: Thu 06 Jul 2006 15:39 Post subject: Re: Caribs

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oevega · Posted: Thu 06 Jul 2006 16:55 Post subject: Re: Caribs

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Was the massacre in haiti of European women and children as well?

Yes, the abuse was terrible. And that could lead to extreme violence in response, doesn't change it was a masaacre. It only mitigates the causes of that massacre.

oevega · Posted: Thu 06 Jul 2006 20:02 Post subject: Gen

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(From Haiti Progress, Vol. 18, no. 22, 16-22 August 2000)

Two hundred and nine years ago on Aug. 17, the French colony of Saint-Domingue erupted in a giant slave rebellion. It would mark the beginning of thirteen years of revolution, culminating in the 1804 declaration of independence of Haiti, the first nation in Latin America.

Sixty-two years ago, a Trinidadian scholar named C.L.R. James published an account of that first and last successful slave revolution, entitled The Black Jacobins. The work has become the definitive English-language account of the period.

In recognition both of the revolution and James, we will reproduce passages from The Black Jacobins over the next three weeks. We encourage any reader who has not read the book to do so, and anyone who has, to return to it. Rarely has any writer so concisely presented and effectively analyzed one of history's most pivotal class struggles.

James' many footnotes detailing his sources have been omitted, and some paragraphing has been added to ease reading. We have retained James' references to the colony as San Domingo. The first selection comes from the chapter entitled The Property.

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The stranger in San Domingo was awakened by the cracks of the whip, the stifled cries, and the heavy groans of the Negroes who saw the sun rise only to curse it for its renewal of their labours and their pains. Their work began at day-break: at eight they stopped for a short breakfast and worked again till midday. They began again at two-o'clock and worked until evening, sometimes till ten or eleven.

A Swiss traveller has left a famous description of a gang of slaves at work. They were about a hundred men and women of different ages, all occupied in digging ditches in a cane-field, the majority of them naked or covered with rags. The sun shone down with full force on their heads. Sweat rolled from all parts of their bodies. Their limbs, weighed down by the heat, fatigued with the weight of their picks and by the resistance of the clayey soil baked hard enough to break their implements, strained themselves to overcome every obstacle. A mournful silence reigned. Exhaustion was stamped on every face, but the hour of rest had not yet come. The pitiless eye of the Manager patrolled the gang, and several foremen armed with long whips moved periodically between them, giving stinging blows to all who, worn out by fatigue, were compelled to take a rest - men or women, young or old.

This was no isolated picture. The sugar plantations demanded an exacting and ceaseless labour. The tropical earth is baked hard by the sun. Round every carry of land intended for cane it was necessary to dig a large ditch to ensure circulation of air. Young canes required attention for the first three or four months and grew to maturity in 14 or 18 months. Cane could be planted and would grow at any time of the year, and the reaping of one crop was the signal for the immediate digging of ditches and the planting of another. Once cut, they had to be rushed to the mill lest the juice became acid by fermentation. The extraction of the juice and manufacture of the raw sugar went on for three weeks a month, 16 or 18 hours a day, for seven or eight months in the year.

Worked like animals, the slaves were housed like animals, in huts built around a square planted with provisions and fruits. These huts were about 20 to 25 feet long, 12 feet wide and about 15 feet in height, divided by partitions into two or three rooms. They were windowless and light entered only by the door. The floor was beaten earth; the bed was of straw, hides or a rude contrivance of cords tied on posts. On these slept indiscriminately mother, father, and children. Defenseless against their masters, they struggled with overwork and its usual complement - under-feeding. The Negro Code, Louis XIV's attempt to ensure them humane treatment, ordered that they should be given, every week, two pots and a half of manioc, three cassavas, two pounds of salt beef or three pounds of salted fish - about food enough to last a healthy man for three days. Instead, their masters gave them half-a-dozen pints of coarse flour, rice, or peas, and half-a-dozen herrings. Worn out by their labours all through the day and far into the night, many neglected to cook and ate the food raw. The ration was so small and given to them so irregularly that often the last half of the week found them with nothing.

Even the two hours they were given in the middle of the day, and the holidays on Sundays and feast-days, were not for rest, but in order that they might cultivate a small piece of land to supplement their regular rations. Hard-working slaves cultivated vegetables and raised chickens to sell in the towns to make a little in order to buy rum and tobacco; and here and there a Napoleon of finance, by luck and industry, could make enough to purchase his freedom. Their masters encouraged them in this practice of cultivation, for in years of scarcity the Negroes died in thousands, epidemics broke out, the slaves fled into the woods, and plantations were ruined.

The difficulty was that though one could trap them like animals, transport them in pens, work them alongside an ass or a horse and beat both with the same stick, stable them and starve them, they remained, despite their black skins and curly hair, quite invincibly human beings; with the intelligence and resentments of human beings. To cow them into the necessary docility and acceptance necessitated a régime of calculated brutality and terrorism, and it is this that explains the unusual spectacle of property-owners apparently careless of preserving their property: they had first to ensure their own safety.

For the least fault, the slaves received the harshest punishment. In 1685 the Negro Code authorized whipping, and in 1702 one colonist, a Marquis, thought any punishment which demanded more than 100 blows of the whip was serious enough to be handed over to the authorities. Later the number was fixed at 39, then raised to 50.

But the colonists paid no attention to these regulations and slaves were not infrequently whipped to death. The whip was not always an ordinary cane or woven cord, as the Code demanded. Sometimes it was replaced by the rigoise a thick thong of cow- hide, or by the lianes - local growths of reeds, supple and pliant like whalebone. The slaves received the whip with more certainty and regularity than they received their food. It was the incentive to work and the guardian of discipline. But there was no ingenuity that fear or a depraved imagination could devise which was not employed to break their spirit and satisfy the lusts and resentment of their owners and guardians - irons on the hands and feet, blocks of wood that the slaves had to drag behind them wherever they went, the tin-plate mask designed to prevent the slaves eating the sugar-cane, the iron collar. Whipping was interrupted in order to pass a piece of hot wood on the buttocks of the victim; salt, pepper, citron, cinders, aloes, and hot ashes were poured on the bleeding wounds. Mutilations were common, limbs, ears and sometimes the private parts, to deprive them of the pleasures which they could indulge in without expense. Their masters poured burning wax on their arms and hands and shoulders, emptied the boiling cane sugar over their heads, burned them alive, roasted them on slow fires, filled them with gunpowder and blew them up with a match; buried them up to the neck and smeared their heads with sugar that the flies might devour them; fastened them near to nests of ants or wasps; made them eat their excrement, drink their urine, and lick the saliva of other slaves. One colonist was known in moments of anger to throw himself on his slaves and stick his teeth into their flesh.

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oevega · Posted: Sat 08 Jul 2006 06:25 Post subject: garifunas and red caribs

Hi,

The comments follow. First the pictures

These are pictures of the Caribs of Dominica, the genetic descendent of the Caribians

These are Garifunas, cultural inheritors.

And these are Arawaks

Amazonian natives

And this is the aspect of a "pure", just contacted people of the Amazon,

Comments:

After researching sites I started to agree with Salssasin. Perhaps the idea of a Genocide from Black to Red Caribs is not pausible. Besides, it is obvious for the pictures that today's Caribs are also mixed.

What is more curious is the following:

(1) Garifunas are almost completely Africans white the Caribs of Dominica of today are more Zambo (Afro-Indigenous).

(2) While Garifunas preserved the Carib language, the Caribs forget it.

My conclusion (Salssasin won't agree, of course Smile

is the following:

While the Caribs are closer in genetics to ancient Caribs they lost their culture. On the other hand, Garifunas preserved the culture of ancient Caribs alive. Curious, isn't it?

By the way, the third set of pictures show the Arawaks. The closest Native American group to the ancient Caribs. Although Arawaks show admixture, this is smaller than in the other groups.
The Yonomami of the Amazon is an example of a people that is still Amerindian, like the just contacted tribe of the last picture. That is very likely the aspect the ancient Caribs have. For language one has to ask the Garifunas.

Amazing topic of study.

I don't know how much native blood the Garifunas have, and I believe is not much, but at least they are the legitimate inheritors of an extinct culture.

Omar

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